Elen [1st] ferch Llywelyn "Mawr" b. Abt 1200 of, , Caernarvonshire, Wales d. Bef 24 Oct 1253 of, Chester, Cheshire, England: Minnig Family History

Abt 1200 - Bef 1253 (53 years)

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Name	Elen [1st] ferch Llywelyn "Mawr" [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
Nickname	Mawr
Born	Abt 1200	of, , Caernarvonshire, Wales
Christened	{Tribe: Gruffudd ap Cynan}
Gender	Female
Died	Bef 24 Oct 1253	of, Chester, Cheshire, England [1, 6]
Person ID	I100014217	My Genealogy
Last Modified	15 Aug 2006

Father	Prince of Wales Llywelyn "Mawr" ab Iorwerth "Drwyndwn" ap Iorwerth, Prince of Aberffraw, Lord of Snowdon, b. 1173, Dolwyddelan, Nantconwy, Wales , d. 11 Apr 1240, Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Isaf, Carnarvon, Wales (Age 67 years)
Mother	Joan Plantagenet, Princess of England, b. Abt 1190, London, Middlesex, England , d. 2 Feb 1237, Aberconwy, Caernarvonshire, Wales (Age 47 years)
Married	Ascenciontide 1206	, , England [8, 11]
	BETROTHAL: Before 15 Oct 1204. (Reitwiesner, 'Children of Joan, Princess of North Wales', Genealogist, Spring 1980 vol. 1 no. 1 p. 80)
Family ID	F100003054	Group Sheet \| Family Chart

Family 1	John "le Scot", Earl of Chester and Huntingdon, b. Abt 1200, of, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England , d. 9 Jan 1237, Darnal, Yorkshire, England (Age 37 years)
Married	1222 [6]
	Type: Wife - 1st Marriage
	STATUS: Wife's 1st marriage. (Reitwiesner, 'Children of Joan, Princess of North Wales', The Genealogist, Spring 1980 vol. 1 no. 1 p. 84) DESECENDANTS: No issue from this marriage.
Last Modified	2 Aug 2005
Family ID	F100011267	Group Sheet \| Family Chart

Family 2	Robert de Quincy, b. Abt 1180, of, Winchester, Hampshire, England , d. Aug 1257, London, Middlesex, England (Age 77 years)
Married	Bef 5 Dec 1237
Last Modified	27 Aug 2002
Family ID	F100011268	Group Sheet \| Family Chart

Notes

TITLES: Countess of Chester.

INQUISITION POST MORTEM: 10 Nov 1253.

(Research) KINSHIP: Investigate> Douglas Richardson (E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com) states "Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales, and his lawful wife, Joan, had several legitimate children, among them being Ellen, wife successively of Johohn of Scotland, Earl of Chester and Huntingdon, and Robert de Quincy, Knt. Ellen's place as a legitimate daughter of Joan is proven by an entry in Calendar of Close Rolls, 1234-1237 (1908), pp. 538-539, where Countess Ellen is styled "our niece" [nepte nostra] by Henry III, King of England.
Recently, however, I encountered further evidence which supports blood kinship between Countess Ellen and the English royal family. Ellen had two surviving daughters by her marriage to Robert de Quincy, one being Hawise de Quincy, wife of Baldwin Wake. The record below states specifically that Hawise de Quincy was of the "consanguinity" (bloodline) of King Edward I:
"Date: 18 Feb. 1282. Order [by King Edward I] to the sheriff of Lincoln to levy £100 from the goods late of Baldwin Wak, deceased, by view of Aubrey de Wintelbiry, and deliver the same to Hawise, late his wife, for the expenses of his burial, and to levy also £40 therefrom by view of the same Aubrey and deliver them to her by reason of her consanguinity." (Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1 (1911): 159).
Hawise de Quincy, wife of Baldwin Wake, and King Edward I were first cousins first removed, they both being descendants of King John." [www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg93.htm#3322]

CONCLUSION: Elen is made the daughter of Joan based on the findings of Douglas Richardson.
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