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Margaret Stanley

Female Abt 1430 - Abt 1481  (51 years)


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  • Name Margaret Stanley  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22] 
    Born Abt 1430  of, Latham, Lancashire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died Abt 1481 
    Buried Troutbeck Chapel, St. Mary-on-the-Hill, Chester, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [23, 24] 
    Person ID I100063920  My Genealogy
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2010 

    Father Thomas Stanley, Baron Stanley Of Alderley,   b. Abt 1400, of, Latham, Lancashire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Mother Joan Goushill,   b. Abt 1400, of, Hoveringham, Nottinghamshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1459  (Age 60 years) 
    Family ID F100031032  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Sir William Troutbeck, Knight,   b. Cal 1434, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Sep 1459, Battle of Blore Heath Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 25 years) 
    Married Bef 17 Dec 1444 
    • MARRIAGE: Conveyance> 17 Dec 1444.

      STATUS: 1st marriage for wife.

      CONDITION: 3 sons and 3 daughters of this marriage.
    • MARRIAGE: Conveyance> 17 Dec 1444.

      STATUS: 1st marriage for wife.

      CONDITION: 3 sons and 3 daughters of this marriage.
    Children 
     1. Jane Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     2. [unknown] Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1430, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     3. Sir William Troutbeck, Knight,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1510/1511  (Age 61 years)
     4. Alice Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     5. Adam Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between 1493 and 1510, of, Thornton le Moors, Thornton, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 43 years)
     6. Robert Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     7. Elizabeth Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     8. Thomas Troutbeck,   b. Abt 1450, of, Dunham on the Hill, Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2010 
    Family ID F100042419  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Sir John Butler, Knight,   b. Abt 1430, of, Bewsey Hall, Warrington, Lancashire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 26 Feb 1463  (Age 33 years) 
    Married 1461  [25, 26] 
    Type: Wife - 2nd Marriage 
    • STATUS: Wife's 2nd marriage. (J-Morris, Shropshire Genealogies, vol. 3 p. 1624)

      (Research) STATUS: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 155 footnote 13 calls her 'widow of Thomas Stanley', but he was her father.

      REMARKS: Margaret had the Bishop of Chester's dispensation, dated 23 Jan 1459/1460, to marry Sir John Butler [Boteler], in which she is described as the widow of William Troutbeck, Knight, deceased, and daughter of Thomas Lord Stanley, deceased. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 211)
    • STATUS: Wife's 2nd marriage. (J-Morris, Shropshire Genealogies, vol. 3 p. 1624)

      (Research) STATUS: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 155 footnote 13 calls her 'widow of Thomas Stanley', but he was her father.

      REMARKS: Margaret had the Bishop of Chester's dispensation, dated 23 Jan 1459/1460, to marry Sir John Butler [Boteler], in which she is described as the widow of William Troutbeck, Knight, deceased, and daughter of Thomas Lord Stanley, deceased. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 211)
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2010 
    Family ID F100088484  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 3 Henry Grey, Lord Grey,   b. Cal 1435, of, Codnor, Heanor, Derbyshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1496  (Age 61 years) 
    Married 2 Oct 1465  [23, 24] 
    Type: Wife - 3rd Marriage 
    • STATUS: Husband's 2nd marriage.
      STATUS: Wife's 3rd marriage. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 2 p. 155 fn. 13)

      (Research) IDENTITY [married couple's identity]: Investigate> Husband referred to as Lord Grey of Codnor, and wife's name given as Margaret STANLEY in 'Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists', 7th ed. p. 24 line 20:34, p. 167-168 line 199:34, 'The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215', 5th ed. p. 137 line 103:11, and 'Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists', 2nd ed. p. 357 TROUTBECK:6.
    • STATUS: Husband's 2nd marriage.
      STATUS: Wife's 3rd marriage. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 2 p. 155 fn. 13)

      (Research) IDENTITY [married couple's identity]: Investigate> Husband referred to as Lord Grey of Codnor, and wife's name given as Margaret STANLEY in 'Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists', 7th ed. p. 24 line 20:34, p. 167-168 line 199:34, 'The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215', 5th ed. p. 137 line 103:11, and 'Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists', 2nd ed. p. 357 TROUTBECK:6.
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2010 
    Family ID F100088485  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • KINSHIP: 3rd daughter. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 210)
      BIRTH: Date Approximated> A minor in 1444.

      MONUMENTAL EFFIGY: Troutbeck Chapel, St. Mary-on-the-Hill, Chester. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 211)
    • (Research):IDENTITY: Corrections> Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 6: Grey of Codnor («i»PROPOSED CORRECTIONS«/i»)

      «b»'The Complete Peerage' vol. 14 p. 352.
      He [Sir Henry (Grey), Lord Grey (d. 1496)] «i»m.«/i», 2ndly, in or before 1458-9, Margaret, one of the 3 das. of Sir Ralph Moton.
      Note i:
      ... «i»Hist. MSS. Comm., De L'Isle and Dudley MSS.«/i», vol. 1, p. 192. According to the «i»Visitation of Leicestershire«/i» (Harl. Soc., vol. ii, p. 58), her sister Anne «i»m.,«/i» William Grymesby of Drakeboro, and her sister Elizabeth «i»m.«/i» Rafe Pole of Radbourne, but no mention is made of Margaret or her marriage. Their father is there called Reginald Motton.
      «/b»
      The evidence referred to is in accounts dated 1458-59 relating to the estates of Tattershall church and college, and is a reference to "Dominus le Gray de Codnor, --- Pole, et Grymesby, qui disponsaverunt filias Radulphi Moton, militis". However, not only is no daughter Margaret mentioned in the Leicestershire visitation pedigree cited, but the inquisition post mortem of Reginald (not Ralph) Moton in 1445 found that his daughters and next heirs were Anne and Elizabeth [Nichols, «i»Leicestershire«/i», vol. 4, pp. 995, 996]. So Margaret does not seem to have been a daughter of Reginald (or Ralph) Moton, and the deduction that the marriage took place before 1458-59 is incorrect.

      Ormerod [«i»Cheshire«/i», vol. 2, p. 42] identifies Margaret instead as a daughter of Thomas Lord Stanley, who married 1stly Sir William Troutbeck, knight (d. 2 Edward IV), 2ndly Sir John Butler of Bewsey (d. 1453) and 3rdly, 2 October 1465, Lord Grey, of Codnor.

      [Details of Ormerod's identification were given by Henry Sutliff in February 2000, and later discussed by Leo van de Pas and Kay Allen.]
    • (Research):IDENTITY: Corrections> Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 6: Grey of Codnor («i»PROPOSED CORRECTIONS«/i»)

      «b»'The Complete Peerage' vol. 14 p. 352.
      He [Sir Henry (Grey), Lord Grey (d. 1496)] «i»m.«/i», 2ndly, in or before 1458-9, Margaret, one of the 3 das. of Sir Ralph Moton.
      Note i:
      ... «i»Hist. MSS. Comm., De L'Isle and Dudley MSS.«/i», vol. 1, p. 192. According to the «i»Visitation of Leicestershire«/i» (Harl. Soc., vol. ii, p. 58), her sister Anne «i»m.,«/i» William Grymesby of Drakeboro, and her sister Elizabeth «i»m.«/i» Rafe Pole of Radbourne, but no mention is made of Margaret or her marriage. Their father is there called Reginald Motton.
      «/b»
      The evidence referred to is in accounts dated 1458-59 relating to the estates of Tattershall church and college, and is a reference to "Dominus le Gray de Codnor, --- Pole, et Grymesby, qui disponsaverunt filias Radulphi Moton, militis". However, not only is no daughter Margaret mentioned in the Leicestershire visitation pedigree cited, but the inquisition post mortem of Reginald (not Ralph) Moton in 1445 found that his daughters and next heirs were Anne and Elizabeth [Nichols, «i»Leicestershire«/i», vol. 4, pp. 995, 996]. So Margaret does not seem to have been a daughter of Reginald (or Ralph) Moton, and the deduction that the marriage took place before 1458-59 is incorrect.

      Ormerod [«i»Cheshire«/i», vol. 2, p. 42] identifies Margaret instead as a daughter of Thomas Lord Stanley, who married 1stly Sir William Troutbeck, knight (d. 2 Edward IV), 2ndly Sir John Butler of Bewsey (d. 1453) and 3rdly, 2 October 1465, Lord Grey, of Codnor.

      [Details of Ormerod's identification were given by Henry Sutliff in February 2000, and later discussed by Leo van de Pas and Kay Allen.]
    • KINSHIP: 3rd daughter. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 210)
      BIRTH: Date Approximated> A minor in 1444.

      MONUMENTAL EFFIGY: Troutbeck Chapel, St. Mary-on-the-Hill, Chester. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 211)

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