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Sir Richard "Hîr" Herbert (alias Richard "Hir" ab William), Knight

Male Abt 1400 - 1469  (69 years)


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  • Name Richard "Hîr" Herbert (alias Richard "Hir" ab William)  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19] 
    Prefix Sir 
    Suffix Knight 
    Nickname Hîr 
    Born Abt 1400  of, Nant-oer, Y Fenni, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christened {Tribe: Godwin} Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 27 Jul 1469  Banbury, Oxfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [20, 21, 22, 23, 24] 
    Buried Herbert Chapel, Priory Church, Y Fenni, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [20, 21, 25] 
    Person ID I200013489  My Genealogy
    Last Modified 22 Nov 2010 

    Father Sir William ap Thomas "Y Marchog glas o Went" (alias William Thomas), Knight,   b. Abt 1370, of, Rhaglan, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1446, London, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 76 years) 
    Mother Gwladus ferch Dafydd "Gam",   b. Abt 1400, of, Peutun-du, Llan-ddew, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1454  (Age 54 years) 
    Married Yes, date unknown 
    • STATUS: Husband's 2nd marriage. (Bradney, History of Monmouthshire, vol. 1 pt. 1 p. 3)
      STATUS: Wife's 2nd marriage. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 2 p. 58)
      STATUS: Widow of Sir Roger Vaughan, Knight. (Evans, British Genealogist, book 8 p. H35)
    Family ID F200004291  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Margred [1st] ferch Thomas,   b. Abt 1470, of, Llandeilo Fawr, Carmarthenshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   bur. Herbert Chapel, Priory Church, Y Fenni, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married Yes, date unknown 
    • STATUS: Wife's 1st marriage. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies 1400-1500, vol. 4 p. 643)
    Last Modified 25 Oct 2005 
    Family ID F200010770  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Mawd ferch Thomas,   b. Abt 1430, of, Crucywel, Breconshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married Yes, date unknown 
    Type: Not Married 
    • STATUS: Not married. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies 1400-1500, vol. 5 p. 785)
    Last Modified 21 Sep 2005 
    Family ID F200010771  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 3 Jonet Bibydd,   b. Abt 1430, of, Abergavenny lordship, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married Yes, date unknown 
    Type: Not Married 
    • STATUS: Not married. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies 1400-1500, vol. 5 p. 785)
    Last Modified 21 Sep 2005 
    Family ID F200010772  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • KINSHIP: 2nd son. (Bradney, History of Monmouthshire, vol. 1 p. 185)
      EPITHET: He was called both "Hir" ('the tall) and "Ddu" ('the Black").

      DISTINCTION: Knighted. (Evans, British Genealogist, book 4 p. D146)

      POLITICS: Supporter of the White Rose.

      RESIDENCE: Coldbrook. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies 300-1400, vol. 6 p. 425)
      RESIDENCE: Colebrooke {Coldbrook}. (Thomas, Golden Grove MS, book 2 p. A139)

      DEATH: He was taken prisoner at Edgecote Battle, and together with his brother William was beheaded, 26 Jul 1469. (Buckley, Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913, p. 5)
      DEATH: He was beheaded the day after the Battle of Banbury along with his brother, the Earl of Pembroke, by the Lancastrians.

      MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTION: Y Fenni> under the arch between the Herbert Chapel and the choir. (Bradney, History of Monmouthshire, vol. 1 p. 165)

      REMARKS: He was a great warrior and supporter of the White Rose. (Bradney, History of Monmouthshire, vol. 1 p. 185)

      (Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 37 omits this generation from the name string.
      (Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Buckley's 'Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913' page 5 makes him the son of Elizabeth Bluet.

  • Sources 
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    23. [S200001096] #798 The Wallop Family and Their Ancestry (1928), Watney, Vernon James, (4 volumes. Oxford: John Johnson, 1928), FHL book Q 929.242 W159w; FHL microfilm 1,696,491 ., vol. 2 p. 422.

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